I knew what you meant Flash, these pesky young whippersnappers don't understand that 'hardcore' means more than being a genre of music Anyway, half the stuff Scott (Unbroken) used to download on Jamesy's computer was hardcore without so much as a musical note being played... Glad to hear the gig was good - I was at Moshulu, but will catch WSBB soon, as I have seen their practises and they SLAYYYYYYYYYYY.